The Fog of War

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🗓️ 4 March 2022

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Footage captured and shared by Ukrainian civilians is helping the world see through the fog of war. But not every video in your news feed is the real deal. On this week’s On the Media, how to sift fact from fiction with our new Breaking News Consumer's Handbook: Ukraine Edition. Plus, how journalists and analysts are using OSINT to track the war. Then, how an international white Christian nationalist movement is fueling Putin’s views and violence.

1. Jane Lytvynenko [@JaneLytv], senior research fellow at the Technology and Social Change Project at Harvard University’s Shorenstein Center, on how to sort out the real from the fake while keeping up with the news from Ukraine. Listen.

2. Peter Aldhous [@paldhous], science reporter at Buzzfeed, on how open-source intelligence is changing how we all experience war. Listen.

3. Casey Michel [@cjcmichel], writer and investigative journalist, on white Christian nationalism—here and in Russia. Listen.

4. Jason Stanley [@jasonintrator], professor of philosophy at Yale University, on the anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that plague eastern Europe. Listen.

Music:

Exit Music For A Film by Brad MehldauMotherless Child by LaTonya PeoplesEye Surgery by Thomas NewmanThe Artifact & Living by Michael AndrewsTrance Dance by John ZornUsing the Apostate Tyrant as His Tool by Kronos QuartetFinal Retribution by John Zorn Waltz (From Swan Lake) by Europa Philharmonic Orchestra

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0:00.0	It's really difficult to put wool over people's eyes when you're bombing innocent civilians.
0:08.1	When civilians are filming those bombs.
0:11.3	Putin bars Russian journalists from describing his action in Ukraine as war or invasion.
0:17.6	But muscling social media isn't so simple.
0:20.6	From WNYC in New York, this is On the Media.
0:23.3	I'm Brooke Gladstone.
0:24.8	Also this week, how open source intelligence penetrates the fog of war.
0:30.5	The signal was the Google Maps app that you and I have on our phones.
0:35.2	You don't get much congestion in rural Belgrade region at 3.15 in the morning.
0:41.9	Plus, why some far-right figures are so very bullish on Putin.
0:47.1	I think they have this image that Russia is like a white man's paradise for them.
0:50.3	And that's all that they see, how to actually realize what it's like on the ground in Russia itself.
0:55.2	It's all coming up after this.
1:00.5	From WNYC in New York, this is On the Media.
1:03.6	I'm Brooke Gladstone.
1:05.2	Since the war in Ukraine began, we've been deluged by content.
1:09.8	We've seen footage of the main TV tower in Kiev smoldering after a missile hit.
1:14.9	But fathers waving goodbye to their children through train windows, civilians huddled in metro stations.
1:21.3	We should note that some pundits were notably more bothered by the tragedy in Ukraine than elsewhere.
1:27.2	This isn't a place with all due respect, like at rock or Afghanistan that has seen conflict raging for decades.
1:35.7	This is a relatively civilized, relatively European.
1:39.4	I have to choose those words carefully too.
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