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You're listening to The Political Scene.

I'm Tyler Foggett and I'm a senior editor at The New Yorker.

There's a connection between Bush v. Gore, gerrymandering in North Carolina, and Donald

Trump's legal challenges to the 2020 election. They've all been justified by a flimsy legal idea

called the independent state legislature theory, or ISLT. Some people argue that it gives state

legislatures complete power over how they run

federal elections, even if this means overriding the popular vote.

Andrew Moran's wrote about the rise of ISLT for this week's magazine.

In his story, one legal scholar said the theory was, quote, pulled out of somebody's butt,

another referred to it as right-wing fanfic. But as fringe as it may be, this theory is dangerous. And it's now up in front of the Supreme Court. Hi, Andrew. Thank you so much for being here. Yeah, yeah, of course. I'm really excited to talk to you about independent state legislature theory. Yeah, that's what they all say.

I just keep hearing.

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