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What our next guest doesn't know about health and wellness simply isn't worth knowing.

He's the top doc when it comes to feeling better and living more.

And his new book, Happy Mind, Happy Life is out now.

So let's doff our Hattigy and have a Nataji with Dr. Rangan Chatterjee.

All right, Rangan. I'm welcome. I've got a copy of your book. You've got a copy of your book. Soon everybody in the world is going to have a copy of the book. How are you, mate? I'm good. I love this.

You? Yeah, I love it. It's like podcast

set up. I feel if my 18 year old self could see me today. Oh my gosh. It feels like the 90s walking into tea of my Friday, mate. I love it. Well, good. I mean, we're still here and that's what we're celebrating. You're still here. Your book is about happy mind, happy life. And we know that being happy is more than half the battle.

It is. You're a happy chap. I am a happy chap.

Always been that way? I think so.

You know, inside, you lose it, but hopefully it's always in there. You know, somebody once said

to me, you know, Lepen never changed its spots, but it depends where you were first time round.

Exactly. You know, have your spots already changed? I knew you're going back home on the hero's journey of happiness. Yeah. Happiness is an inside job. Happenness is an inside job. I do this meditation at the moment. There's an app called The Way, which I absolutely love. Henry Shuckman is a Zen master from Oxford. And the one I did this morning, he talks about, I mean, it's not just Henry, you know, many, many spiritual teachers talk about this, that the happiness is already there. We're just doing stuff in our life that covers it up. And actually, really, as you probably found in your own life, if you can start to get rid of the stuff that's getting in the way of your happiness, that's probably the best way to get it. Michael Singer said the same thing this weekend as well. He said, you know, trying to get happy is really hard, but trying to not be unhappy is much easier because that usually means just stopping things as opposed to starting things. And if you get rid of the unhappiness, what you might find is left is the beginning of your happiness. Exactly. I mean, I started a book off literally by saying that happiness is our default state.

And if you question that, all you have to do is look at a child. You know, anyone who's got kids or hangs around with kids will know they are naturally happy.

They will just sit there and mindfully be doing a jigsaw puzzle for like an

hour and a half. They're totally present. They're in the moment. I kind of feel society trains

it out of us. And the point of writing this book is to show people that happiness actually can be

considered a skill. And it's a skill that you can get better at. If you know what to work on. The problem is these days, is that many of us don't know what to work on. And that's why I wrote the book basically. And you talk about the want brain. The want brain gets all both barrels, doesn't it? The one brain, yeah, the part of the brain that kind of evolved earliest that thinks that we need to get our bit and compete with others and make sure we've got

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