"The first foothold in a much broader liberation" w/ Tareq Baconi
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🗓️ 13 November 2024
⏱️ 92 minutes
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The brothers welcome analyst Tareq Baconi, author of Hamas Contained (Stanford University Press, 2018) and president of the board of Al-Shabaka. One year into the Gaza genocide, they discuss the emergence Hamas and its role in the Palestinian political polity, its sweeping electoral victory in Gaza in 2006 as well as its subsequent governance in Gaza and attempts to contain its growth through blockade. They explore how October 7th upended the entire strategic alignments of the Western imperialist powers that are part of Israeli apartheid structure.
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Date of recording: Oct 15, 2024.
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| 0:00.0 | You know, Hamas claimed that it was its armed resistance that had, quote, unquote, liberated Gaza, which in some ways it did. |
| 0:07.9 | In other ways, obviously, this was a unilateral decision by the Shadorn government to disengage in 2005. |
| 0:13.8 | But all of these things featured in the way that Hamas understood its positionality in Gaza, but also understood the importance of using |
| 0:22.8 | this piece of land, which is thoroughly Palestinian, with no Jewish settlers, from which to |
| 0:28.7 | liberate the rest of Palestine. I mean, this is exactly the context in which you have to |
| 0:32.3 | understand October 7, in terms of sort of understanding this as a bit of land that was the first foothold in a much broader liberation. |
| 0:44.5 | Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Magistice Street podcast. |
| 0:49.2 | We're going to talk today about a year after October 7th. |
| 0:53.5 | We're going to talk today about Hamas, about Gaza, |
| 0:57.0 | within the larger context of Palestinian liberation and the regional configuration that's taking place. |
| 1:04.0 | And we're very happy to have with us, Tara Bakunni, who's currently the president of the board of Al-Shabaka, |
| 1:11.7 | and he's a former senior analyst for the Israel-Palestine at the International Crisis Group, |
| 1:17.6 | based in Ramallah. |
| 1:19.1 | And he's an author of a very important book, |
| 1:22.4 | which is called Hamas Contained the Rise and Pacification of Palestinian resistance. That's with Stanford University |
| 1:29.9 | Press 2018. His writings have appeared in all sorts of journals and newspapers, including the London |
| 1:38.2 | Review of Books, the New York Review of Books, the Washington Post, and others. And he's, of course, |
| 1:42.7 | a frequent commentator in various regional and international media. |
| 1:46.0 | He's also the book review editor for the Journal of Palestine Studies. So he's the perfect person to talk to about what's going on in Gaza, Hamas and the larger struggle for Palestine. |
| 1:57.0 | So Tadok, welcome to the Magdisi Street podcast. |
| 2:02.4 | And today it's about a year after the October 7, 20, 23, Hamas attacks inside Israel and |
| 2:11.7 | the sort of subsequent genocide and now expanding kind of regional war into Lebanon and potentially |
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