The Final Boss Is in Your Head - Jordan Shallow #383
Muscle Intelligence
Ben Pakulski
4.8 • 745 Ratings
🗓️ 21 July 2025
⏱️ 91 minutes
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Show Notes/Description
In this powerful and wide-ranging conversation, Dr. Jordan Shallow returns to the Muscle Intelligence Podcast to unpack the physical, mental, and emotional journey of becoming his highest self. From hitting rock bottom in a toxic life path to spending a year on the road teaching seminars and redefining movement education, Jordan shares how pain, panic, and performance shaped his evolution.
He and Ben dive deep into the mental models behind freedom, authenticity, athleticism, and personal transformation, plus practical insights on training, learning, and leading others. This episode is a raw, real, and inspiring look at what it means to design your life intentionally from the ground up.
Points To Watch Out For
- Why pain and anxiety often trigger personal evolution
- How to train smarter by treating movement like learning
- The real reason most people never change
- What great athletes do differently neurologically
- How to update your mental “operating system” and find freedom
About Jordan Shallow
Dr. Jordan Shallow is a performance specialist who transforms how elite athletes, professional teams, and corporations approach human optimization. With extensive experience working alongside world-class athletes and sports organizations, Jordan has developed a comprehensive methodology that bridges the gap between injury prevention, training, and peak performance.
Jordan's integrated approach follows athletes through every stage of their journey—from rehabilitation and recovery to training optimization and game-day execution. This holistic perspective has made him a sought-after expert who understands that true performance enhancement requires addressing every element of an athlete's development. Whether working with Olympic competitors or Fortune 500 companies, Jordan delivers cutting-edge strategies that unlock human potential at the highest levels.
Learn more from Jordan at pre-script.com
About Ben
Ben Pakulski is the Chief Performance Officer to elite executives, successful entrepreneurs, and top athletes. With over 25 years of experience, he coaches high achievers to build the physical, psychological, and metabolic resilience required to lead at the highest level.
As the creator of the Muscle Intelligence framework, Ben specializes in aligning biology and behavior to drive sustained peak performance. His mission is to redefine what’s possible for people in their prime and push the boundaries of human potential.
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| 0:00.0 | A lot of what I see in athleticism and its peak form is controlling inhibition. |
| 0:06.0 | The good athletes learn really fast. |
| 0:08.0 | You have to treat training like learning, no longer training. |
| 0:11.0 | There was a point at the peak of my teaching in person, |
| 0:16.0 | where I did 44 years in a row on the road in a different city. |
| 0:20.0 | My reinforcement was, man, I don't know. |
| 0:21.9 | I do. Go to school undergrad, go to grad school, get a doctorate, become a professional, get an education, get a job. I think there's a lot of people tell you to fall in love with the process. And I think for me, personally, that would have let me fall into the straight. Story starts with me looking down at a plate of six eggs, trying to cut away for a power lifting me while I was married in an apartment I couldn't afford with a job that I fucking hated with a degree that put me in more debt. |
| 0:42.3 | I would have recurring panic attacks to put me in the hospital. |
| 0:44.3 | It was the anxiety that came with just running up against an error message of that old operating system, right? |
| 0:51.3 | Because like I wasn't in a position to be comfortably now. I watched so many people die on a fence. And I watched great people die on a hill. And there's a difference. |
| 1:03.0 | Fuck yes. It's about time you're back in the house. |
| 1:12.6 | Mr. Alder. |
| 1:13.6 | Yeah, it feels like we're sitting across each other from each other in 2017, just about to do some morning LSD walks. |
| 1:20.6 | I'd no idea what you're talking for. |
| 1:22.6 | Yeah, but either confirm or deny. I think he's... |
| 1:25.6 | That's plausible deniability I was thought at a young age. |
| 1:28.3 | Oh, man. |
| 1:29.3 | Man, it feels like no time has passed, yet so much time has passed. |
| 1:39.3 | And watching you step into your purpose. |
| 1:49.0 | It's fucking awesome. |
| 1:50.0 | You don't have a disagreement on this and it was grand. |
| 1:53.0 | That sounds like I was... |
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