Okay, we are live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show. I have two very special guests. I've been on their show twice. I actually hosted them on my stream yard on the last show, which we did under a really fascinating movie that they really opened my eyes to many of the images and themes that were in it, and that was under the Silver Lake.

It's interesting because people had told me,

hey, you got to watch this movie.

I want to see it, but they suggested that we watched that.

So I'm glad we did that. And then back in August, I was on their show to talk about one of the most paranoid

movies ever made, Parallax View,

and we talked about other subjects to a little bit of west memphis three

but i reached out to them and invited them on my show to talk about a different movie and i had a

couple movies in mind but they kind of latched on to this conspiracy movie that was made in 1997

and if you're watching on stream yard offin, you'll see the poster fort.

It has Mel Gibson and Julia Roberts.

There's a lot of kind of controversy around it.

And it was nice for me kind of after, if I had watched it in 1997 with different eyes and a different understanding,

it's nice for me at this age and not much time passing to see this film and understand a lot of the themes that were in it.

But they also, there's a tie-in to this film with their research on Sciop Cinema.

And so it's Tom and Brett from Sciop Cinema again.

And the tie-in is that they did an analysis of a movie with Girolito,

and that was Chapter 27 about Mark David Chapman.

And it ties in, and that's a whole other story,

but we can go into all those details and do a film analysis of this,

and also kind of bring in some of this information from Chapter 27 in Chapman.

So Tom and Brett of Sciop Cinema, welcome back to the show.

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