Pornography. It's an uncomfortable topic, but it's also a massive problem that has a crippling grip on millions of Christian men,

men who feel ashamed of their addiction, yet powerless to break free. But what if shame doesn't have to define us, and what if God's power is at hand to deliver us?

Today I'm talking with Pastor Ray Orland about how the truth that we are royalty, created in God's image for a great and noble purpose, has the power to free us from the dehumanizing lies of the porn industry. Ray serves as pastor to pastors at

Emmanuel Church, Nashville, and is the author of The Death of Porn, Men of Integrity, Building a World

of Nobility from Crossway. Let's get started.

Well, Ray, thank you so much for joining me today on the Crossplay podcast.

I'm glad to be with you, Matt.

So right at the beginning of your new book, you write,

thanks for picking up this book.

I hope it helps.

I hope it changes things, a lot of things. But I think right away, I can imagine that

someone might be listening, a guy might be listening right now, thinking to himself, yeah, right.

I wish things could change, but I've read the books, I've gone to the seminars, I've listened to the

sermons, I've tried meeting with an accountability partner, I've tried all of that stuff,

and it feels like nothing has helped, nothing will change.

We're going to get into some of this stuff, but I wonder what would you say to that guy listening

right now here at the beginning of our conversation?

I would say to that guy, everyone on the face of the earth understands exactly what he's

talking about.

Jesus said, he who sins is a slave of sin.

I understand that.

One of the things I say early in the book is that I am a sexual

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