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slash ad-free podcasts to catch up on the latest episodes without the ads. I'm John Batsch with Charles Pfizer, whose wonderfully rich new book is a telling of the period of the 1930s

prior to the catastrophe of the Second War that fills in

the missing pieces of the conversation between Berlin and London as they circled each

other saying we're not going to do that again we're not

going to destroy another civilization we must find away.

1936 the presumption is that oh well Hitler threatening, but he won't move before the Olympics.

He does. He just did. He moved into the Rhineland. And now the Olympics, an opportunity, again, for the two cultures to deal with each other in a positive

way. Again, our protagonists, our amateur spies, but they're professional German-speaking seekers of peace.

They're seeking a way to avoid the catastrophe of the Great War.

And they are all invited to the Olympics, including those who are sympathetic with the Nazis, with Hitler in particular.

And Fancitart is wind and dined, the most important civil sermon, if I understand correctly, with a massive

office in government and great power can pick up a phone and call anybody.

He's wind and dined by the Germans.

What does he make of it, Charles?

Well, he comes back alarmed by the regime, but somewhat placated because the Nazis do wine and

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