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I.e. I'm John Batsch with Charles Spicer. His new book is Coffee with Hitler. It is the crisis year of 1938.

And again, we're concentrating on our protagonists and the results around them that they try to

shape with really good information about what Hitler and his colleagues, Hitler and his co-conspirators, that would be Gering, Himmler, and the rest, but especially

von Ribbentrop, the now foreign minister of Germany who has turned against England and regards England as the major

threat to the Hitlerite plans to conquer the world or at least all of Europe.

We come to September of 38 and the our heroes are meeting with the

courts and others and learn that there is a credible as as Charles says, robust plan to remove the dictator from the Reichs

Chancery and set up a government that is not headed to war.

It is called the Oster conspiracy and I emphasize it here because it doesn't

end quickly but Charles you believe this was a credible arrangement that was

not pursued by Whitehall was that was the Prime Minister

fully informed of this it seems to have influenced his decision in

September I think he was I mean he was certainly made aware of the plans for the Auster conspiracy and he chose instead to proceed to proceed with with his own plan to go and visit Hitler personally.

I don't think he necessarily understood the extent to which his own plans would undermine the conspiracy.

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