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THE EVER VIGILANT BIRDS OF NEW ENGLAND AND NEW SOUTH WALES ALWAYS HAVE A PLAN. 4/8 Ten Birds That Changed the World Hardcover – by Stephen Moss (Author)

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 29 June 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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THE EVER VIGILANT BIRDS OF NEW ENGLAND AND NEW SOUTH WALES ALWAYS HAVE A PLAN.  4/8 Ten Birds That Changed the World Hardcover – by  Stephen Moss  (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Ten-Birds-That-Changed-World/dp/1541604466

For the whole of human history, we have lived alongside birds. We have hunted and domesticated them for food; venerated them in our mythologies, religions, and rituals; exploited them for their natural resources; and been inspired by them for our music, art, and poetry.

In Ten Birds That Changed the World, naturalist and author Stephen Moss tells the gripping story of this long and intimate relationship through key species from all seven of the world’s continents. From Odin’s faithful raven companions to Darwin’s finches, and from the wild turkey of the Americas to the emperor penguin as potent symbol of the climate crisis, this is a fascinating, eye-opening, and endlessly engaging work of natural history.

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0:00.0

Ten birds have changed the world.

0:06.7

Stephen Moss's new book.

0:08.6

He's also a producer, but the author of a book that reveals to me again and again,

0:14.0

language is important, and the word extinction is frightening.

0:18.4

How many extinctions have been since the creation of the earth in the bombardment

0:22.9

of three and a half to four billion years ago? But this one, the dodo bird, turns out to be

0:28.3

the author of the word extinction that enters into the vocabulary of the century since he was first

0:37.0

discovered. I believe it was the 16th century since he was first discovered.

0:37.7

I believe it was the 16th century when a ship called there.

0:41.5

And the dodo no longer exists, but the word extinction is now important for those who move to save or protect or in some way worry about the habitats and the destruction of our birds.

0:56.2

The humble dodo, I learned from you that when the Dutch first found him,

1:01.5

they call him the wallow birds, and they regarded him as loathsome.

1:05.4

What happened to him?

1:06.4

Why did they go away on the Mauritius Islands suddenly, Stephen?

1:10.1

Well, what I hadn't realized about the dodo was that unlike other oceanic islands that were

1:16.3

colonized by humans during the sort of age of empire, if you like, in the 16th, 17th, 18th centuries,

1:22.4

Mauritius was not inhabited by people. So unlike America, unlike New Zealand, unlike Australia, where there were,

1:29.4

humans were there already. Mauritius was a place where the dodo lived and it had evolved

1:36.0

not to have to fly because why would it have to fly if there's no enemies and there were also

1:40.1

no predators, no ground predators, no mammals.

1:54.5

And unfortunately, the Dutch sailors, who arrived, I think, in 1597 or 98, brought in dogs and cats and rats and actually macaque monkeys, which they kept as pets.

2:05.0

And those birds both et the eggs and the chicks of the dodo in the nest, but also, of course, could catch the flightless adults, unlike your turkey, it couldn't fly away.

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