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A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Welcome to the History Extra podcast, fascinating historical conversations from the makers of BBC History Magazine.

From Maastricht to Brexit, the European Union's first three decades have entailed plenty of political and economic drama.

In today's episode, Danny Bird speaks to Dermott-Hodson about his new book, Circle of Stars,

which focuses on some of the key individuals that helped shape the EU.

From advocates of European integration to dyed-in-the-wall Eurosceptics,

each have been at the heart of the past three decades

of ambition, crisis and consolidation. Dermott, thank you very much for joining me today to discuss

your new book, Circle of Stars. I'd like to start us off by asking you what compelled

you to write this book. I guess it was an anniversary at the core of my decision to write this

book. The European

Union has recently turned 30. So it's 30 years since the Maastricht Treaty entered into force.

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