My name is Bramley McClendon.

I am currently the associate pastor at Union Church of Hinstale, which is outside Chicago.

It's a UCC congregation, but I'm ordained as a United Methodist group and that church.

And my most recent book is Good Christian Sex.

Your book excited me so much, which is strange for a monogamous guy to say,

like a committed 16 year married person.

So, like, I'm not personally evaluating what sexual ethics or an edifying sexuality would look like

because I'm pretty comfortable in a very old model.

Right.

But I'm not immune or unaware of what's happening in our larger society.

And certainly the listeners is programmed or not because we get asked all the time,

what do we do with sex and sexuality in the 21st century as people who in some way wish to follow

or honor Christianity as a tradition, as our faith, however that person may hold that.

And it is a topic that tends to only get approached in two directions.

One is a very particular Western Protestant interpretation of a Judeo-Christian sexual

ethic and the other is a post-religious, post-theistic, secularized framework, which is of those two,

I probably fall much closer to the latter.

But really fascinated to hear about how you're approaching sex and sexuality today

and what led you to start thinking about that.

So, if you read the book or pretty much anything that I have ever written,

you know that I'm a preacher's kid, so I grew up in the church.

But a real, you know, a pretty liberal, you know, socially progressive congregation too.

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