meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
1A

The Ethics Of Animal Testing

1A

NPR

News

4.44.3K Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

What would you sacrifice to push efforts forward on eliminating diseases? What about to make sure our products and medicines are safe, especially for our most vulnerable?

These questions lead us to ethical quagmire and, oftentimes, to the use of animals for research, testing, and experimentation. We’ve long heard the term “lab rat.” Its popularity in conversation belies an understanding that these creatures are popular subjects for experimentation. But they’re far from the only ones.

Around 40,000 dogs were used as test subjects in labs last year, according to a leading advocacy group. The most common breed used are beagles.

Journalist Melanie Kaplan adopted Hammie in 2013, a lab beagle who had been used for research for nearly four years. It led her down a years-long rabbit hole to find out more about her companion’s past. It took her to a sanctuary farm for former research animals in Wyoming, a naked mole rat lab at Boston University, and the homes of former researchers.

We discuss her book, “Lab Dog: A Beagle and His Human Investigate the Surprising World of Animal Research.”

Find more of our programs online. Listen to 1A sponsor-free by signing up for 1A+ at plus.npr.org/the1a

Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices

NPR Privacy Policy

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

What would you sacrifice to push forward efforts to eliminate deadly diseases?

0:12.1

What about to make sure our products and medicines are safe, especially for our most vulnerable?

0:17.1

These questions lead us to ethical quagmire surrounding the use of animals for research, testing, and experimentation.

0:24.6

Some of you shared your thoughts with us.

0:27.1

This is Kate in Vermont.

0:28.7

Animals do not exist for the purposes of people, to cure them, to heal them, to prevent them from getting sick or injured.

0:35.2

I think the fact that labs still experiment on live animals,

0:40.3

especially dogs and cats, is abhorrent, and it needs to be stopped.

0:45.6

Humanity should have evolved enough by now

0:48.3

to not make other animals suffer for ourselves.

0:51.8

This is Judy Ingram from Rancho Cordova, California.

0:55.9

I'm so tired of hearing about experiments done on rats or mice

0:59.9

mentioned so casually and with no concern for their pain.

1:03.9

Long ago, Cardinal Newman said about animal experimentation.

1:07.6

He said, there is something so very dreadful in tormenting those who have never harmed us and who cannot defend themselves and are utterly in our power.

1:17.3

Thanks for those messages.

1:19.0

We've long heard the term lab rat.

1:21.3

It's an expression of understanding that animals are used in scientific spaces.

1:25.4

Although rats are the most widely used animal, they are far from

1:28.3

the only one. Around 40,000 dogs were used in labs last year. That's according to a leading advocacy

1:34.8

group. The most common breed used are beagles. Journalist Melanie Kaplan adopted Hammy in 2013,

1:41.8

a beagle who had been used for research for nearly four years, and it led her to a

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from NPR, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of NPR and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.