at however we want but uh you guys can go to the description you can find both their twitters

i mean mr rames he's obviously written several books on this stuff but i mean i had dav i think i had

you on two weeks ago and will i had you on last week and um i kind of wanted to get you guys together

because a lot of people don't want to touch this and then those that are gung-ho to touch it

are whether intentionally or unintentionally

the results the same they they often discredit it by you know fucking yeah nut cases right

but there's a very realized day of you and i've talked about i mean the the mind control aspect

of it the fact that it's too insane that no one would believe you the fact that it binds people

together and will you've talked about this for you know just in fact that it's too insane that no one would believe you, the fact that it binds people together.

And, Will, you've talked about this for, you know, in general.

Like, it's a very real thing.

The cult is a very real thing.

But because you're doing like daily posts on it, Will, I'm going to let you kick this off

in any way you want.

I've been studying a lot of the stuff.

I kind of am, you know, I studied Crowley.

My first book was about Crowley.

I published it in 2010.

So that's an aspect of his kind of occultism, is this kind of ritualization and abuse.

And all his followers kind of practice that.

And then I wrote a book about the West Memphis

3, which was a cult ritual murder. So I've kind of been around and researching. And, you know,

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