Hey, welcome back to the Personality Hacker Podcast. My name is Joel Mark Witt.

And I'm Antonia Dodge.

Today we have a special guest, Susan Olesicic from the Annie Graham Prison Project.

Susan, welcome to Personality Hacker.

Goodness, thanks for letting me be here.

Letting you be here.

It was like a year it took us to schedule this didn't it? It was like we had to like

go back and forth with schedule because one of things I appreciate about you is you're

on mission in your life. You have this any Grand Prison project you run and it's passionate. It's something you're focused on in an interview with us is important

But not as important the stuff that comes up with your work. So talk a little bit about your work some of the reasons why it was so hard to schedule you. What are you up to? What is your mission in life, Susan?

Oh, well, thank you for that. I feel like I am really true to type, type one, which I relate to all the time. I'm really on a mission to help people understand why we do what we do.

Probably not unlike you two. I feel that with any Grand Prison project especially the people who are

you know the most marginalized most hurting among us are the people who are

sitting behind bars who are really starving for some resources to figure out the answer to that question and the

any gram is such a perfect tool to help people to gain self-awareness and self-compassion truly I think if I think that's really the way the

any gram has always been intended and therefore some self-regulation.

So what do you I mean any gram prison project I envision you know when I hear that before I kind of knew what was going on I was like okay any

grand prison project what in the world could that entail like what are you actually doing on a day-to-day basis?

Are you teaching people that are incarcerated,

the Anagram system for personal growth?

Are you using it to help them develop skill sets

when they're finished with their incarceration?

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