We're going to find the leakers and they're going to pay a big price.

So declared Donald Trump in the first few weeks of his presidency, signaling that his

administration would aggressively go after leakers who were spilling secrets to the press.

At the time, Trump was incensed by stories about his administration's ties to Russia,

including phone calls between his first national security adviser Michael Flynn and the Russian

ambassador.

And yet, throughout the rest of his term, Trump's Justice Department brought relatively

few leak cases, at least compared to that of his predecessor.

But in recent weeks, we've started to learn much more.

The Washington Post disclosed that he had been notified by the Justice Department that

three of its reporters' phone records were subpoenaed last year in an effort to identify

their sources for stories they wrote three years earlier in 2017.

Then CNN disclosed that one of its reporters' phone records had been secretly subpoenaed.

And now the New York Times has revealed that four of its reporters had their phone records

pulled.

All under Trump's last Attorney General William Barr.

How dangerous a development is this for the news media?

And how does it compare with similarly aggressive anti- leak investigations that took place under

President Obama?

We'll discuss with the former executive editor of the Washington Post, Len Downey, and we'll

talk to Yahoo News's John Ward about Donald Trump's return to public rallies on this episode

of Skull Duggery.

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