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The Ezra Klein Show

The End of 'The Everything Bubble'

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 17 June 2022

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

This week, the S&P 500 entered what analysts refer to as a bear market. The index has plunged around 22 percent from its most recent peak in January. Many growth stocks and crypto assets have crashed double or triple that amount. New home sales declined 17 percent in April, causing some analysts to argue that the housing market has peaked. And, in response to rising inflation, the Federal Reserve just approved its largest interest rate increase since 1994, meaning asset prices could dip even lower. To understand what’s happening in the stock market right now, you have to understand the era that preceded it. Rana Foroohar is a columnist at The Financial Times, and the author of several books on the economy including “Makers and Takers” and “Don’t Be Evil.” Her view is that a decade-plus of loose monetary policy has been the economic equivalent of a “sugar high,” which kept the prices of stocks, housing and other assets going up and up and up, even as the fundamentals of the economy have been eroding. This “everything bubble,” as she calls it, was bound to burst — and that’s exactly what she thinks is happening right now. So I wanted to have her on the show to discuss the economic choices — and lack thereof — that led to this point. We also discuss why the increasing power of the financial sector hasn’t resulted a stronger economy, whether the housing market has indeed hit its peak, the massive missed opportunity for public investment while interest rates were low, why policymakers treat asset price inflation so differently from other types of inflation, the true costs of the meat we eat and clothes we wear, why crypto represents the apotheosis of hyper-financialized capitalism, why I’m skeptical of the argument that we’re moving rapidly toward a less globalized world and more. Book recommendations: All That She Carried by Tiya Miles Beautiful Country by Qian Julie Wang The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order by Gary Gerstle We're hiring a researcher! You can apply here or by visiting nytimes.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/News Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris and Andrea López Cruzado; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld; audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Our executive producer is Irene Noguchi. Special thanks to Kristin Lin and Kristina Samulewski.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Ezra Klein, this is the Ezra Conchell.

0:20.1

Before we begin today, we are looking for our researcher on the EK show.

0:24.5

Somebody who is going to be diving deep into our preps with us, helping us get ready for

0:29.0

the episodes, figure out the episodes, write questions for them.

0:32.2

It's a great job for somebody who is unbelievably obsessive about going down information

0:37.3

rabbit holes, unbelievably capable at inhaling a lot of reading and a lot of data all at once

0:44.7

and then synthesizing it into something comprehensible.

0:47.9

If that sounds like you, we're going to put the job description in the description for

0:51.3

this podcast.

0:52.3

You can also find it at nytco.com if you go to the careers tab.

0:56.9

But we're only going to keep this open for probably about two more weeks so the time

1:00.1

to apply is now.

1:02.1

But onto today's episode.

1:05.0

We did it, everybody.

1:06.0

We're officially in a bear market.

1:08.0

The S&P 500 is down at about 22% roughly from its January peak.

1:13.8

Inflation is really, really high.

1:15.5

Recession is very possible.

1:17.0

Mortgage rates are rising pretty sharply.

1:19.5

A lot of analysts think the housing market is already peaked.

1:22.9

Crypto.

1:23.9

Crypto has just been hammered.

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