From the New York Times, I'm Sabrina Tavernici. This is The Daily.

In the weeks since Roe was overturned,

divisions have emerged within the anti-abortion movement over where to go next.

Today, my colleague Elizabeth Dias, on how an extreme wing of the movement,

one that wants to punish women who have abortions,

has become increasingly influential in setting the terms of the debate.

It's Tuesday, August 23rd.

So Elizabeth, you cover religion for the times,

and you've been reporting on the anti-abortion movement,

and where it goes now that Roe has fallen.

Where did you start your reporting?

I've been covering the anti-abortion movement pretty closely over the last decade.

I think a lot of people think that the anti-abortion movement is somewhat of a monolith,

but it's not a monolith, and there's different factions within the movement that want different things

and have different amounts of power.

The mainstream of the anti-abortion movement has put forward for years

what they've called an incremental strategy, which is adding restriction by restriction

to start to peel back the right to an abortion.

And there's also been a fringe of the movement that's had more extreme positions,

and for them, nothing has been acceptable except the complete end of abortion at conception.

Right.

And the mainstream has never really had to grapple in a real way with that fringe element before,

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