The Draymond Green w/Baron Davis - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Takeover & Pacers NBA Finals Collapse w/ guest Mo Williams
The Herd with Colin Cowherd
iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
4.3 • 10K Ratings
🗓️ 14 June 2025
⏱️ 113 minutes
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Summary
NBA Champion Mo Williams joins Draymond Green to break down the stunning Game 4 comeback in the NBA Finals, how OKC adjusted late to steal the win, and why Indiana let a championship-level moment slip away. Mo shares insight on Shea Gilgeous-Alexander’s evolving superstar game, how mismatches and coaching decisions defined the series, and why Rick Carlisle is outcoaching Mark Daigneault. The conversation also dives deep into the real challenges of building a winning program at an HBCU, from NIL limitations to brutal scheduling demands—and how more support could change everything. Plus, Mo reflects on the 2016 Cavs title run, mentoring Draymond through the original Grind Week, and the wildest team celebration story you’ve never heard. A must-watch for any true hoops fan.
3:18 How OKC Was Able To Comeback And Win
13:15 Breaking How SGA Got The Advantage in The 4th Quarter
19:33 OKC Change Their Lineup AGAIN
26:38 Why Indiana Has to Get Pascal Siakam The Ball In The Quarter
32:13 Most Important Headline For Game 5 For OKC & Pacers
36:20 Remembering Kyrie and Lebron's 41-point Game 5
41:23 Flip Saunders Story
47:23 How Hard It Is To Coach An HBCU Division I Basketball Team
1:07:58 What Defines an NBA Superstar
1:15:36 Crazy Allen Iverson Story
1:21:35 Playing with LeBron James
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