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The Dramatic Overhaul Of The Justice Dept.

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🗓️ 20 August 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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The New Yorker’s Ruth Marcus says Bondi has presided over the DOJ's most convulsive transition of power since Watergate, aggressively reversing policies, investigating Trump’s foes and firing staff.

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Learn more at RWJF.org.

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This is Fresh Air. I'm Dave Davies.

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The leadership team of Donald Trump's second administration is known for having some

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colorful and combative characters. Among that group, Attorney General Pam Bondi is a standout.

0:29.7

At an April cabinet meeting, she outdid others in praising the president by asserting that fentanyl seizures

0:35.1

in his first 100 days in office had saved 258 million lives.

0:40.9

That's roughly three quarters of the U.S. population.

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Bondi and the Department of Justice, which she heads, have been at the center of some of the administration's most controversial moves.

0:51.2

Its aggressive seizure and deportation of immigrants, its handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files,

0:57.1

and the move to take over law enforcement in the District of Columbia. She's also spearheaded a

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determined campaign to fire and prosecute present and former officials involved in investigations

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and prosecutions of January 6th rioters and Jack Smith's cases against Donald Trump.

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Our guest, veteran Washington journalist Ruth Marcus, has a profile in the latest New Yorker about Bondi.

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She writes that Bondi has presided over the most convulsive transition of power in the Justice Department since the Watergate era, perhaps ever. She describes Bondi's

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rise to prominence in the Trump team, her fierce loyalty to the president, and criticism she's

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gotten from friends and foes of the administration. Ruth Marcus is a contributing writer for

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the New Yorker. Marcus spent 40 years at the Washington Post as a reporter, editor,

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and columnist. She left earlier this year, after disagreements with the paper's publisher,

1:50.1

Will Lewis, and its owner, Jeff Bezos, over its editorial direction. Her latest New Yorker

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article is titled Pam Bondi's Power Play. Well, Ruth Marcus, welcome to fresh air. Thank you for having me.

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