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🗓️ 30 April 2025
⏱️ 38 minutes
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The Duchess of Argyll was shameless, in all the right ways. That’s what drew historian, Lyndsy Spence, to write a book about her. She joins Matt and Alice to discuss why Margaret Campbell was the precursor to the female celebrities of today who are scrutinised by the tabloids. Plus, remember the headless man in the photograph at the heart of our scandal? Lyndsy knows who he is…
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0:00.0 | From Wondery, I'm Alice Levine. |
0:09.5 | And I'm Matt Fould. |
0:10.8 | And this is British Scandal. Right, Margaret Campbell, the Duchess of Argyle. Fair to call her the dirty Duchess, do we think that? |
0:31.9 | Well, I mean, in those days, for there to be explicit photos of you entertaining a gentleman caller and really entertaining him, it doesn't necessarily scream Duchess, but she obviously didn't expect her husband to break into her home, steal her private property, and share that with the world. |
0:49.7 | Yeah, dirty duke more like, am I right, ladies? |
0:52.7 | So this whole story for me comes back to an intersection |
0:56.2 | we know all too well in British scandal, the crossroads of misogyny and class hypocrisy. |
1:02.4 | Two of my favourite topics. As a nation, we're obsessed with the aristocracy, we're obsessed with |
1:06.5 | their sex lives, and of course we have held men and women to different sexual standards throughout history |
1:12.9 | and in the present day which partly explains why the press went so wild for all the salacious |
1:18.1 | gossip in Margaret's divorce case. Yes exactly and our next guest is an expert in bold |
1:23.8 | aristocratic women throughout history. In fact she is is a returning guest. As you'll remember, |
1:28.5 | Matt, she spoke to us once before about the Mitford sisters in our series Hitler's Angel. Lindsay |
1:33.6 | Spence is the author of The Grit in the Pearl, the scandalous life of Margaret Duchess of Argyle, |
1:38.6 | and she's spoken directly to many of Margaret's close friends and family. And she even discovered |
1:43.5 | the true identity of the |
1:45.8 | headless man. Lindsay joins us next. |
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