The Dirt Beneath Our Door with Pamela Jones
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4.8 • 566 Ratings
🗓️ 17 September 2025
⏱️ 78 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Rachel Bernstein interviews Pamela Jones, who shares her remarkable journey from a polygamist cult to a life of freedom and self-discovery. Pamela was born in Los Molinos, Mexico, to members of the Church of the Firstborn of the Fullness of Times, a fundamentalist, misogynistic cult. She was the 11th of her father’s 57 biological children and 2nd of her mother’s thirteen children, and it was from that moment on that Pamela held one single belief: She existed for one reason and one reason only, to be her eventual husband’s handmaid and to bear him as many children as possible.
Fast forward to age 10, Pamela was forced out of school to help her mom care for her 12 children, giving her nothing more than a fifth-grade education. At age 15, Pamela married David Lebaron, the grandson of cult founder Alma Dayer LeBaron Jr., and was pregnant 17 times in 18 years. After 9 childbirths and 8 miscarriages, Pamela felt she had enough children to make it to heaven, a fundamentalist belief. One day, she awoke her nine children and escaped the neglect and abuse from her husband.
Since arriving in the United States, Pamela has founded a multimillion-dollar business, Exclusive Services by MyGirls, and has shared her story across the country to show how someone who came from nothing can truly have everything. She has raised successful, entrepreneurial children, authored her own book, and is now a recognized public speaker, celebrated as both an inspiring businesswoman and a voice of empowerment. Her family has grown to include 31 grandchildren, keeping Pamela busier and more fulfilled than ever.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control. |
| 0:11.2 | I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein. |
| 0:13.8 | Are you looking to create safer spaces for cult survivors? |
| 0:18.2 | Don't miss my video lecture. |
| 0:24.1 | Unhealthy and safer support groups for former cult members. It's a specialized kind of work with specialized sensitivities. As a therapist and |
| 0:31.9 | educator, I break down the critical elements of establishing truly supportive environments for individuals who have experienced |
| 0:39.9 | harm in high control groups and groups of any sort. Learn how to avoid potential pitfalls, maintain |
| 0:49.3 | clear boundaries, create spaces that honor the incredible courage it takes for survivors to seek support, |
| 0:59.0 | especially in a group setting when they've been hurt previously in group settings. |
| 1:05.6 | Whether you're a mental health professional or support group facilitator, |
| 1:09.6 | this lecture provides vital insights, I think, |
| 1:13.0 | into protecting the healing journey of trauma survivors. So much of what I share, I've learned |
| 1:19.3 | from the survivors themselves who have informed me about things that hurt them in the past. |
| 1:26.6 | So these are things that they're looking for now to make |
| 1:30.9 | sure they don't get re-injured in the same ways. This lecture and many more are available for |
| 1:39.1 | purchase on my website, rachel Bernsteintherapy.com. Just follow the link in the description of this episode |
| 1:45.5 | to view them all and purchase any that are available that you think would be helpful to you |
| 1:53.2 | in your work. Take good care. |
| 2:00.1 | Hello everyone. Welcome to the show. |
| 2:05.0 | Today we have Pamela Jones. |
| 2:07.7 | She was born in Mexico to members of the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, |
| 2:16.1 | a fundamentalist misogynistic cult. |
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