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In its latest book, The Devil You Know, a black power manifesto, New York Times columnist and best-selling author, Charles Blow, argues that it is time for a reverse migration in which black Americans move to the south. In this way, according to Blow, blacks can consolidate their political power and bring momentum to a political agenda

that will truly result in black lives mattering. We'll talk with Charles Blow, who has taken

his own advice and moved to Atlanta after 26 years of living in New York, and that's all coming

up next. after this news.

Welcome to this morning's forum. I'm Michael Krasny. Seize it, migrate, move. This is the crux of journalists and New York Times columnist Charles M. Blow's newest book, The Devil You Know, a Black Power manifesto. He argues that the great migration of blacks from the rural south to northern urban centers did not deliver on improved social and economic conditions and that the fastest way to

fight systemic anti-black racism is for blacks to migrate to the south, where they can more

easily consolidate political power. Charles Blow has taken his advice to heart and moved from New York to Atlanta.

And he joins us now to talk about his book and to explain how a reverse migration could move progressive policies like reparations and criminal justice reform forward.

And welcome Charles Blow.

Thanks. I'm happy to be here.

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