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🗓️ 8 October 2025
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Dr. Phil and psychologist Dr. Ingrid Clayton uncover the hidden trauma response that drives people-pleasing and how to stop abandoning yourself to feel safe.
Dr. Ingrid Clayton is a licensed clinical psychologist and bestselling author of Fawning: Why the Need to Please Makes Us Lose Ourselves — and How to Find Our Way Back.
Drawing from her own journey through narcissistic abuse and decades of clinical work, Dr. Clayton reveals how chronic people-pleasing is not a personality flaw, it’s a survival strategy wired into the nervous system. Together, they unpack why fawning is often rewarded, how it hides in relationships and workplaces, and what it takes to reclaim your voice and your boundaries.
Featured in Oprah Daily, Psychology Today, and Women’s Health, Dr. Clayton’s message is both a warning and a roadmap: healing begins when you stop apologizing for existing.
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| 0:00.0 | Fawning is a relational trauma response where we reflexively, which means unconsciously, |
| 0:08.1 | appease or caretake in order to lessen the harm. |
| 0:11.6 | And in my personal experience, many of my clients' experiences, the reality is we did try |
| 0:18.5 | to speak up, to set a boundary, to create this change out in the world, |
| 0:23.6 | and it made things worse. |
| 0:25.4 | I think this is something that we don't really think about near as much as we need to. |
| 0:32.3 | This is when you silence your own needs, silence your own identity, just to keep the peace. |
| 0:39.8 | I want you to be able to bring your full self in to you. And so what does that look like? |
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| 1:20.6 | I'll tell you, most of us have heard of the fight or flight reaction and the freeze reaction |
| 1:26.9 | that comes along with trauma responses. But there's a |
| 1:30.9 | fourth F, and that just may be running your life, and you don't even know it. It's called |
| 1:37.3 | fawning. That's when you really work to please others at any cost. I think this is something |
| 1:43.7 | that we don't really think about |
| 1:46.6 | near as much as we need to. This is when you silence your own needs, silence your own identity, |
| 1:55.2 | just to keep the peace. And my guest today, in my opinion, is the expert on this, Dr. Ingrid Clayton. |
| 2:03.9 | And Dr. Clayton is a licensed clinical psychologist with a master's in transpersonal psychology, |
| 2:10.4 | PhD in clinical psychology, who has lived it, studied it, and written a book that brings |
| 2:17.1 | this overlooked trauma response into the |
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