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Next Up with Mark Halperin

The Devastating Loss of Charlie Kirk and the Legacy He Leaves Behind, with Megyn Kelly

Next Up with Mark Halperin

MK Media

News, Daily News, Politics

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 11 September 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s tragic assassination, Megyn Kelly joins Mark Halperin to honor Charlie and his life’s work that forever changed politics in America. They reflect on his eagerness to learn from those he disagreed with, his steadfast commitment to open debate, and the lasting legacy he leaves to the generation of young Americans he inspired to engage in shaping the nation’s future. Mark offers his own remembrance of Charlie, providing a fuller portrait of the man behind the headlines in his reported monologue. He recalls the faith and sense of purpose that guided Charlie’s life, the candid moments that revealed his character, the leadership qualities that earned him admiration from both friends and rivals, and explains why his influence will hold an enduring place in American political history. The segment includes highlights from Mark’s previous interviews, including what is believed to be Charlie’s final long-form on-camera conversation with a journalist. Finally, political scientist Robert Pape, one of the nation’s foremost experts on political violence, examines the latest exclusive polling data illustrating the deep social and cultural upheavals pushing the United States closer to potential cataclysmic confrontation. He analyzes the forces fueling unrest, what they reveal about the fight over who governs the country, and how national leaders can help heal the divisions threatening America’s future. Chapter: For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial 262-454-0503 or go to https://askchapter.org/mark Disclaimer: Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don't directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options. Delta Rescue: Visit https://DeltaRescue.org to learn more

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0:00.0

Welcome to NextUp. I'm Mark Kalper, editor-in-chief of two-way host of this program Nextop.

0:07.2

And somber for all of us here, just a couple days ago in the last episode, I was sitting in this chair talking to Charlie Kirk.

0:15.5

And now he's gone. And we're going to spend this episode trying to grapple with that.

0:20.3

We'll review some of my past

0:21.8

conversations with him. We'll talk about the moment of political violence and joining us in a moment,

0:26.5

Megan Kelly, host the Megan Kelly show, a good friend of Charlie's and no person I'd rather speak to

0:31.0

about what all this means and what we do next, then Megan, and then Robert Pape of the University of

0:36.4

Chicago. We'll talk about threats, my reported monologue on what made Charlie Megan and then Robert Pape of the University of Chicago will talk about threats my

0:38.3

reported monologue on what made Charlie special and then again highlights from some of the past

0:43.6

conversations I had with him which I'll tell you why they meant so much to me and I hope to people

0:48.4

who got to watch them and listen to them but first Megan Kelly Megan and I spoke yesterday on her

0:53.8

program during breaking

0:55.3

news of the story. And as I said, there's no one who's better understands what Charlie

1:00.0

meant to the conservative movement and what kind of person he was then Megan. And Megan, thank you

1:04.7

for making time.

1:05.5

Of course, Mark. Thanks for doing our show yesterday while it was all unfolding.

1:10.0

Yeah.

1:17.6

My big project now is to try to deal with what's coming, which is the anger that you and I know is felt by so many people.

1:18.9

We know who knew Charlie.

1:20.0

They're sad, of course, but a lot of anger.

1:22.3

And from talking to folks yesterday overnight, a lot of that comes from a feeling that the

1:26.6

left doesn't get why Charlie

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