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The Delphi Murders: One Man's Odyssey Through Westville, Carroll County Jail, and Court with Nick McLeland

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True Crime, Murder, Unsolved Case, Killing, Murderer, Cold Case

3.82.8K Ratings

🗓️ 2 May 2023

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

The Murder Sheet interviewed a man from Indiana who has been incarcerated in Carroll County Jail, the Westville Correctional Facility, and the Miami County Correctional Facility. He has also had Carroll County prosecutor Nick McLeland as a defense attorney. He spoke to us about all the experiences relevant to our understanding of the Delphi murders and the case against Richard Allen.

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0:00.0

Content warning. This episode includes discussion of violence. There is also some profanity.

0:07.0

Years ago, a man from Lafayette, Indiana, ran into some trouble with the law. His name is Jason

0:13.6

Clinker. His life experience essentially reads like one man's Odyssey through many of the locations

0:20.4

currently relevant to the Delphi Murders case. For a period of his life, Jason was in and out of

0:26.4

jails in prison. A law that came out of a situation where two guys came to fight him and he ended

0:32.8

up slashing one of them. He was convicted of battery because of that. He also had later trouble

0:39.3

with drug addiction and convictions. Since then, he's turned his life around. But all of that has

0:45.4

given Jason a firsthand perspective on some of the places and people that we report on,

0:52.3

as well as the criminal justice system in the area. He has been incarcerated in the Carroll

0:57.2

County jail and the Westville Correctional Facility, along with the Miami County Correctional Facility

1:03.6

and the Indiana State Prison in Michigan City, Indiana. Nicholas or Nick McLean served as his

1:10.8

defense attorney at one point. Jason has also lived in Delphi. We interviewed Jason about all of that.

1:17.4

We talked about how he used to antagonize the staff as their relatively quiet Carroll County

1:22.3

jail. We talked about how infamous Hoosier bank robber John Dillinger helped him retain his

1:28.3

sanity when he was locked up in Westville's maximum control complex. We talked about why he wasn't

1:34.5

thrilled with McLean's performance as his defense attorney. But also, why he's convinced the

1:39.7

now county prosecutor is sure to prevail in his case against Richard Allen. We talked about the

1:45.6

harsh conditions that Allen may have faced in Westville. Lastly, we discussed Jason's belief that

1:51.9

the presumption of innocence is a myth. We have confirmed Jason's criminal record and verified

1:57.7

his identity. These are stories that he experienced personally, but we found him very much capable

2:03.9

of holding nuanced opinions around these topics. We hope you find it interesting to hear his thoughts

2:09.2

on all of these matters. My name is Anya Cain. I'm a journalist. And I'm Kevin Greenley. I'm an

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