We are going to start, like where we start our decision making, is in accepting the jury verdict is right.

And I think that is actually necessary for appeals.

And the reason for that is because just like you just said, they can't put themselves in the jury shoes.

They weren't in the courtroom.

They didn't.

You know, it's... Hey hey francie how you doing

good jim how are you very good thank you um and i am very very very uh happy to show you a

a throwback photo that uh that uh that uh you should know you're, it's going to make you laugh. Um,

but it's so 1980s. This is, um, me and my sister and her roommate and my,

former girlfriend Sue and my nephew is sitting up on my shoulders.

Very much of a throwback.

He now has, he's grown up and has three kids.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

That's a crazy photo.

Yeah.

That's a crazy 1980s.

You know, you could tell by all the hairstyles.

Of course you can.

Yeah, 1980.

I'm so much younger than you that I don't have that sort of a throwback today.

But what I do have is what I think everybody would be sort of amused by.

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