The Debate Over Slavery That Changed John Quincy Adams
Our American Stories
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4.6 • 817 Ratings
🗓️ 9 September 2025
⏱️ 12 minutes
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Summary
On this episode of Our American Stories, in 1819, as the Missouri Crisis stirred national debate over slavery and westward expansion, a private conversation between John Quincy Adams and John C. Calhoun became something much larger. Calhoun defended slavery as a necessary institution. Adams left the conversation deeply shaken and newly committed to abolition. This moment would fuel his work after the presidency, where he became a leading voice against the Gag Rule and argued for the freedom of the Amistad captives. Historians James Traub and Dr. Robert Elder share how a single exchange shaped one of the most important abolitionist legacies in American politics.
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| 0:52.1 | Up next, a story about two men that changed American history. |
| 0:57.0 | The men, slavery firebrand John C. Calhoun, and the son of our second president, John Quincy Adams. |
| 1:04.9 | Here to tell the story is James Trow, author of John Quincy Adams, |
| 1:10.0 | militant spirit, Dr. Robert Elder, author of John C. Calhoun, |
| 1:15.5 | American Heretic. Let's get into the story. Take it away, Robert. |
| 1:22.4 | Calhoun comes on to the political scene during the war of 1812. |
| 1:27.7 | He's one of the small group of congressmen who really pushed the war legislatively and |
| 1:34.7 | were responsible for keeping the war effort together. |
| 1:38.5 | And so he's instantly a sort of national figure and he goes into James Monroe's cabinet |
| 1:43.7 | as Secretary of War, and that's where |
| 1:46.2 | he meets John Quincy Adams. His father was a man who lived in the nation. His father was one of the |
| 1:54.1 | leaders of the forces that ultimately rebelled against the British. The lullabies with which his mother |
| 2:00.7 | would rock him to sleep, |
| 2:02.1 | glorified poems from the Irish rebellion against the British glorified sacrifice in the name of |
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