The Death of Deif – A turning point? With Ronen Bergman

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Society, October 7, Hamas, War, Foreign Policy, Geopolitics, Israel, News Commentary, News, Politics, Elections, Palestine, Dan Senor, Government

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🗓️ 15 July 2024

⏱️ 35 minutes

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*** Share on X: https://tinyurl.com/5dw43272 *** Who is Mohammed Deif? Why does he matter (or why did he matter?) Is he dead? We have often said on this podcast that Hamas long ago transformed from a ragtag militia to the equivalent of a light infantry army of a sovereign state. The architect of that transformation was Mohammed Deif. If Hamas was a terror army, its commanding general or army chief of staff was Mohammed Deif. The second intifada? Deif was central to its planning and execution. Its tunnel system and rocket arsenal? All that, too, was Deif. And October 7th? Mohammed Deif. Israel had been on the hunt for Deif long before October 7th. In fact, he had escaped at least seven assasination attempts going back to 2001. Today he is most likely dead, based on an extraordinary intelligence and military operation that took place on Saturday morning. To help us understand what Hamas is, today, without Mohammed Deif, and what it means for Israel’s war against Hamas – and for the hostage and ceasefire negotiations – we are joined by Ronen Bergman, who is a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine and Senior Correspondent for Military and Intelligence Affairs for Yedioth Ahronoth, an Israeli daily. Ronen recently won a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on this war and the pre-war intelligence failures. He has published numerous books —including “Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations,” and also “The Secret War with Iran." Ronen is also a member of the Israeli bar (he clerked in the Attorney General’s Office), and has a master’s degree in international relations and a Ph.D. in history from Cambridge University.

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0:00.0	If this proof to be correct that Mohammed death was killed, that this is the one most important,
0:06.0	singular military, but especially intelligence achievement since the beginning of the war.
0:11.4	In a way, it's sort of re-institutionalized of their strength and their power
0:16.7	that were so badly damaged after the failure of October 7. It's 1130 p.m. on Sunday July 14th here in New York City. It's 630 a.m. on Monday
0:37.3	July 15th in Israel as Israelis are starting their day.
0:44.6	According to Harrod's newspapers on are its newspapers newspapers Ancho Feffer who's been a guest on this podcast several times
0:48.9	Mohammed deaf is quote responsible for the death of the highest number of Israelis is,
0:55.0	he is also directly responsible for the greatest for the greatest suffering of the Palestinian people
1:00.0	since the Nokba of 1948."
1:03.3	For more than three decades, Deaf commanded Hamas's military wing in Gaza.
1:09.9	He also supervised terror operations in the West Bank during some of that time.
1:14.7	I have often said in previous episodes of this podcast that Hamas long ago transformed from a
1:20.7	ragtag militia to the equivalent of a light infantry army of a sovereign state.
1:27.5	The architect of that transformation was Mohammed Def.
1:31.3	If Hamas was a terror army, its commanding general or its army chief of staff was Mohammed
1:37.3	death. The second intifada, during which over a thousand Israelis were slaughtered in the early 2000s.
1:44.8	Well, Mohammed Def was central to its planning and its execution.
1:49.4	Hamas's rocket arsenal grew larger than that of most countries since Hamas's full takeover of Gaza in 2007,
1:56.4	and its labyrinth of tunnels below the ground in Gaza grew larger than most subway systems in large cities across the west. All that too was Mohammed
2:06.6	Death. A military arsenal spread out inside and underneath schools, mosques, hospitals, and UN facilities in Gaza, it was a complex
2:16.6	system designed and implemented under the leadership of Mohammed death.
2:21.6	And October 7th Mohammed death.
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