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Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Dark Side of the Internet's Obsession With Anxiety

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News Commentary, News

4.81.8K Ratings

🗓️ 13 February 2024

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

We’ve done several shows on America’s anxiety crisis. This one asks several questions that might get me in trouble. Have we overcorrected from an era when mental health was shameful to talk about to an era where people talk about anxiety so much online that it’s worsening our mental health crisis? Is the very design of algorithmic media engineered to increase rumination and mental distress? Is there a dark side to all this media about trauma, anxiety, and depression? (Yes, the irony of us asking this question is not lost on us.) Today’s guest is Darby Saxbe, a clinical psychologist and professor at the University of Southern California. We talk about anxiety as identity, why talking about anxiety on the Internet is such a mess today, how the architecture of the internet unhelpfully shapes our discussions of mental health, and what a better conversation about mental health online might look like. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at [email protected]. Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Darby Saxbe Producer: Devon Baroldi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:08.0

The finales of our favorite shows can make us argue,

0:10.0

make us cry, and make us crazy.

0:13.2

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podcast where we'll be telling the story of Modern TV backwards, one fade out at a time. Find Stick the Landing on Wednesdays on the Prestige TV feed,

0:26.0

on Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:29.0

Today is a conversation I've wanted to have on this show for a while and it's a

0:37.1

conversation that might get me into a little bit of trouble in some quarters but

0:41.5

we're gonna do it anyway.

0:43.0

We've done several shows on America's anxiety crisis,

0:46.0

taking a particularly close look at the record levels of teenagers

0:50.0

in official government surveys by the CDC who say they feel persistently sad,

0:55.3

hopeless, or depressed.

0:57.6

I've talked to the social psychologist John Hight about the causes of the youth anxiety

1:02.1

crisis. I've talked to

1:03.4

psychiatrists and clinical psychologists about how parents in schools and

1:07.3

teens themselves can cope and respond to this. And these episodes have

1:11.5

clearly resonated. I've spoken to so many people, including parents, about these shows.

1:16.0

And several of these listeners had a very interesting, very difficult question for me that I've never really known how to answer to their

1:25.8

satisfaction or to mine. And the question tends to go something like this. They'll say,

1:31.6

Derek, my kids or my friends talk about their anxiety or depression

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