There has to be some common sense.

Yes, sir.

They have the car stop intent and Grandch Michael Byrner.

We still don't know who pulled the trigger. Hello everyone and welcome to police off the Cuff, Real Crime Stories.

I'm your host, retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a 27-year veteran of the NYPD, retired out of Manhattan North Homicide Squad.

I want to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving.

I know, yes, it was yesterday, but it's this whole weekend, this whole time of year,

this whole good spirit of the season.

However, covering a case like this case, it sort of takes the Thanksgiving out of you.

You think of the families of these four young people of Ethan Chapin, Madison, Mogan, Zana Kernodl, and Kaylee Ginkalvis.

And we think, how could they ever have another good Thanksgiving in their lifetime?

But we're going to get to the case.

There, of course, was a press conference just the other

day. And I tell you something, a lot of the thing, a lot of these talking heads, and look,

talking heads are great. They give you an idea of what I'm referring to is experts that go on

these network and these other TV shows. And they just have opinions. You know, even the FBI behavioral, behavioral,

I say it correctly, the behavioral analysis unit, they're really just hypothesizing and theorizing,

they're using certain inputs into who they think that this person is.

But what we really want to know is we want that slam dunk piece of evidence that's going

to tell us exactly who this person is, not who we may think it is, but that person that we think 100%, it's, it's identified.

DNA, you know, blood evidence. We're all counting on blood evidence to come back. And all of these

other things, all of these other scientific methods

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