There absolutely is a massive movement and it feels like the majority of materials that are made by and for women really speak to this.

We've got throw pillows and coffee mugs and t-shirts and conferences telling us, you are enough.

And women are going to these conferences and they're reading these books and they're getting totally jazzed up.

But the reality is when you seek to be self-sufficient

and you don't turn to your creator, you're going to run out of steam.

Welcome to the Crossway podcast, a show where we sit down with authors each week for thoughtful

interviews about the Bible, theology, church history, and the Christian life. I'm Matt Tully,

and today I'm talking with Jen Oshman.

Jen is a writer, a podcaster, and served as a missionary alongside her husband for over two

decades on three continents.

She's also the author of Enough About Me, Find Lasting Joy in the Age of Self from Crossway.

Today, Jen and I discuss what it looks like to pursue real fulfillment in God

rather than in self. She explains what's wrong with the self-obsessed, individualistic

culture that dominates our world today, breaking down the massive popularity of books and podcasts

and conferences, often aimed at Christian women, that say that what we really need is to believe in ourselves.

She also discusses what the evangelical church can learn from the Me Too era and shares the key

lessons she hopes her own daughters take from her as they transition to adulthood.

Let's get started.

Jen, thank you for joining us on the Crossway podcast today.

Thanks so much for having me. It's a pleasure.

So in your book, you share a story about a time when you were in college and you found yourself on your dorm room floor and you felt sad and you didn't really know why.

Explain what was happening there.

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