Hello, I'm Rory Stewart, and I'd like to tell you about an intelligent squared event

I'm doing with the classicist author and broadcaster Mary Beard. Together we'll be discussing

politics and power from the Caesars to Sunak, who gets to Winpar, who is excluded. Does power

always corrupt or other examples of leaders who've maintained their integrity while an authority?

And how does the nature of power vary across different times and cultures? These are just some

of the questions that Mary and I will be trying to answer. In person tickets are now sold out,

but you can still watch online on the 13th of November at 7pm BST. Put your questions

to us live as we discuss power and politics down the ages. Hello podcast listeners, I'm Connor

and welcome to this week's episode of Intelligent Squared. Today we're joined by Nicole Pearl Roth,

Cybersecurity reporter at the New York Times, an author of the new book This Is How They Tell Me The

World Ends The Cyber Weapons Arms Race. And in conversation with Josh Glancy, the Washington

Bureau Chief of the Times and Sunday Times, they discuss the world of cyber hacking from nation

states hacking into the critical infrastructure of other countries right through to the growth

of the cyber weapons arms market. It's a really fascinating conversation which has a lot to tell us

about stories we've seen in the news recently such as The Solar Winds Hack. And if you do enjoy it,

you can find a link for Nicole's book in the podcast description. But now let's go to the episode.

I'm Josh Glancy and I'm very pleased to welcome Nicole Pearl Roth here who is a reporter at the

New York Times and the author of This Is How They Tell Me The World Ends, which if you were feeling

like relaxed after the Trump administration ending, I would not recommend reading before bed,

but is a fascinating book, a very absorbing book, a very very detailed dive into the world

of cyber warfare really. And the Wild West of cyber warfare has done by many sorts of freelance

organizations, dark organizations and governments too and really takes us deep into this quite strange

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