I'm Elise Hugh. You're listening to TED Talks Daily. Today we have a vital conversation about burnout. In this conversation from our new TED series, How to Deal with Difficult feelings. Ted's curator Chloe Shasha Brooks interviews authors and sisters Emily and Amelia Nagasaki to better understand the factors that lead to burnout

so we can cope with uncomfortable feelings in a healthier way. There is so much good stuff in here.

In a year, we were all pushed to our limits. I want to send this episode to all my friends,

and you will too. Let's dive right in.

You co-authored a book called Burnout,

The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle.

And the inspiration for this book

was actually based on a personal experience

that you had with burnout, Amelia.

Can you tell us more about that experience?

Well, it began with me going to school while While I was getting my doctor to musical arts in conducting,

I ended up in the hospital, and I had abdominal pain, which they diagnosed as stress-induced,

told me to go home and relax. And in fact, I had no idea what to do, but luckily, I have a sister who has a PhD

in health behavior. So when I'm in the hospital, just in pain, laying there, not even really

understanding how I got there or why, and I honestly didn't even believe that stress could cause

physiological symptoms.

And Emily said, how did you not know that?

I'm a conductor and a singer.

I have learned in my musical training to express my feelings with my body,

to use my body as a vehicle for expressing emotion.

And it occurred to me that if it was true that I didn't

just have those feelings on stage, I had them all the time my whole life. And if that was true,

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