Thank you, Dr. John DeLinn.

John DeLinn is a podcaster, non-profit CEO, activist, public speaker, religions, religious transitions coach.

He's an expert in understanding and supporting people experiencing religious faith crises and transitions.

And John has a master's in instructional technology, but a PhD in clinical and counseling psychology.

And his clinical training and research interests revolve around the nexus of religion and mental health,

with an emphasis on navigating religious faith crises, as well as navigating the LGBTQ plus

religious identity conflict. John, I'm so delighted to have you on my podcast, and let me just share with our audience that, I don't know,

was it two years ago or so that you reached out to me to be on your Mormon stories podcast.

That's what you've been doing for how many years, John?

16 years.

And Steve, yeah, can I just say, you're a legend and I'm so honored to be on your new

show. Congratulations. Well, I'm odd and honored to have you as a friend and colleague. And honestly,

when you first reach out to me and said, I want to interview from my podcast, Mormon stories. I was like,

do I really want to do this? And then I read further, I read the New York Times where you

were disfellowships from the Mormons. I was actually excommunicated from the church in 2000.

Excommunicated, pardon me. Yeah, no, no, no.

It's an extra honor, so I-

Yes, it's a higher level of shunning.

Or of, uh, acknowledgement of having made a positive impact.

A thousand percent, from where I sit, you are just helped so many people.

But I just want to share when you first contacted me,

you know, I think I looked at your TED talk and heard your story.

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