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I think in the boyfriend stage, you're really being super performative, especially a protected provider.

It's like you give all that stuff up, and it's kind of foolish.

So we'll get so many men that come to the mic saying,

how can I get my wife to forgive me or trust me again after I have broken those vows and this covenant in this trust that we have?

It's better to ask preventatively than to have to ask retroactively.

The challenge though is what are men positioned in this society to do

and what are they valued for?

So before we can grow putting a finger on that man,

it's the whole house that needs to be addressed.

And also reinforced by women.

So hold on a second right there.

I feel before reinforcement from women comes into play,

y'all have to decide and agree what masculinity means.

You know, What's up everybody. Welcome to another episode of Hot and Bothered with Melissa Ford. We are back at Torches, NYC, powered by the Polanco Brothers. And we have an exclusive here in their newly designed event space. So I'm here with my boys, Mike Reed and Ace Metaphor from tonight's conversation, which I just recently

had the pleasure of being on one of the summer stage panels.

Yeah.

Correct?

I was terrified, Ace.

I don't know why.

Well, I mean, because I get to walk into a studio or a controlled environment, let's just

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