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Hi everybody, it's Peter, one of the hosts of 5 to 4.

We had to travel this week for a speaking engagement,

so we were going to take the week off, but instead we're going to share with you a panel we were on

at Harvard Law School a few months back with Ryan Dorfler, a Harvard

Law Professor, and Madeba Denny, a legal analyst and author. We were there to talk about

court reform as well as how to build a response to

originalism which dovetails nicely with the fact that Madiba's new book

the originalism trap just hit the stores and no I'm not being paid to say that I'm just trying to get better at networking. This is 5 to 4, a podcast about how much the

Supreme Court sucks.

Rien and Peter and Michael have seemingly done the impossible, found a way to talk about the many failures and absurdities of the Supreme Court

and make it entertaining.

Please put your hands together for Madiba Denny,

Ryan Dorflur in 5-4. Well, first of all, thanks for the warm welcome. This is very nice. I do want to preface this by saying this isn't the most hungover I've been

while talking about blah but it's up there you know we're in contention it's in the

conversation I think it makes sense to sort You know, we're in contention. It's in the conversation.

I think it makes sense to sort of like walk through our perspectives

about court reform one by one.

I think, you know, we've always sort of pushed this basic line that you need to decide what you are trying to

accomplish when you talk about court reform that some people are talking about trying to sort of

just take the heat out and reduce the power of the

court and you know sort of address it at the structural level and therefore Sam Alito has less power or whatever.

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