The Coming Wave
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 5 September 2023
⏱️ 64 minutes
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Summary
There is no more consequential technological development in recent years than widely accessible artificial intelligence. And there are few more consequential contemporary figures in the artificial intelligence field than Mustafa Suleyman, who is the co-founder of DeepMind Technologies, an early leading artificial intelligence firm later bought by Google, and more recently, co-founder of Inflection AI, a firm devoted to personalizing artificial intelligence.
Jack Goldsmith sat down with Suleyman to talk about his new and somewhat frightening book, “The Coming Wave: Technology, Power, and the Twenty-first Century's Greatest Dilemma,” which is his take on the novel threats posed by artificial intelligence and synthetic biology. They focused on the artificial intelligence components of the book, discussing AI's promises—and especially its dangers—to both individuals and the state, and what governments and firms can realistically do to redress the dangers.
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| 1:03.7 | Now with the spread of capabilities, the ability for people to actually do things that is like |
| 1:09.7 | use APIs, trigger actions in third party environments, actually initiate physical actions in the |
| 1:18.0 | real world with software. That's a different quality of impact to simply the spread of misinformation |
| 1:25.9 | where we have the traditional challenge of freedom of speech. That's going to be the challenge |
| 1:30.0 | that we face in democratic, liberal, western countries. As I write in the book, the flip |
| 1:36.7 | side of that is that for regimes that don't have any desire to pursue freedom and openness, |
| 1:45.5 | then they're actually going to have quite surprisingly the opposite sort of turbo charge |
| 1:51.6 | of their power. I'm Jack Goldsmith and this is the Lawfare Podcast |
| 1:56.1 | September 5, 2023. There is no more consequential technological development in recent years than widely |
| 2:03.8 | accessible artificial intelligence. And there are a few more consequential contemporary |
| 2:08.3 | figures in the artificial intelligence field than Mustafa Suleiman, who is the co-founder |
| 2:13.6 | of Beatmining Technologies, an early leading artificial intelligence firm later bought by Google, |
| 2:19.3 | and more recently co-founder of Infliction AI, a firm devoted to personalizing artificial |
| 2:24.6 | intelligence. I sat down with Suleiman to talk about his new and somewhat frightening |
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