Hello. Hi, how are you? Hi, how are you? Hi,

How are you? Hi, Mave.

Wait, remind me how to pronounce your name, it's a jam.

Oh, no. me how to pronounce your name is such a. Oh no you know my name you've been on this

podcast before but you are not Catherine I'm not Catherine no Catherine's in a car

famously driving across the country to get away from this

podcast. In case anyone missed last week, Catherine is on a pan American tour and finds herself without service, so she says,

and unable to speak this week. And so I'm calling Mave,

Mave Higgins, my friend, a contributing writer

at the New York Times,

and co-host of the podcast, Mothers of Invention,

which is excellent, and recently returned to the US during the

pandemic from Ireland where she was staying with her family. Why, maybe?

I love Bodega coffee.

I actually do.

But I mean, I do live here in New York and I have lived here for almost eight years now.

I felt like I was I had to come home if you know what I mean yeah I would also add that I for visa reasons I had to return you don't have to justify it to me I I'm glad you that I wanted you to come back I know but it is you know like Ireland has

That certainly when I left it had the lowest rate of coronavirus in Western Europe. It's still it there. They've had a couple of

outbreaks recently but it's you know it's a pretty secure place to be. I mean I

talked to you and Catherine when I was in Ireland and you know it was almost farcical how safe and cute it was compared to you know the kind of horror that was unfolding here during the well that

continues to unfold and so yeah but I did come back yeah you were overlooking cows as I recall this sort of

pastoral landscape. Yes. We were completely in shelter in place mode and the worst of

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