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Hello, this week we take a 20th century perspective on the development of cities and all that they

represent in our culture.

This week's also architecture week according to as well. I'm joined by Sir Peter

Hall, Professor of Planning at the Bartlett School of Architecture and Planning, University of

College London. He's the author of nearly 30 books including The World Cities and Cities Tomorrow. His book Cities in Civilization

is published this week. Doreen Massey has been professor of geography at the Faculty of Social

Sciences at the Open University since 1982.

In 1994, she was awarded the Victoria Medal of the Royal Geographical Society,

and last month the Voltray Lud International Geography Prize, often described as the

Geographer's equivalent of a Nobel Prize.

Peter Hall, you write about creativity in cities.

Now, can you first of all define what you mean by that?

Well, anything that produces something interesting and new, it could be art, it could be philosophy,

but it can also be technology that leads to the creation of new industries.

It can also be the kind of creativity that solves problems

in cities from something as mundane as fixing a water supply or building sewers to building metro underground systems and more generally

developing new systems of social welfare.

All these I count as creative in one way or another and all of them tend to have happened especially in cities

You've written a book of almost 12 hundred pages proving this point so it seems rather mean-minded to quibble at the

outset but let's get my quibble over with is it only cities you seem to imply

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