Hello there.

Happy Thursday.

Welcome to another episode of the Chuck podcast.

So my guest later in this podcast yesterday, we uploaded, I say yesterday.

I know in the world of podcasting, perhaps you just list, you're listening to this, the day, but my previous episode, how do I, how about

we say that? My previous episode, I had a former Democratic governor of Washington state Jay Inslee on,

who himself ran for president in 2020. Well, for this episode, I have a former Republican governor

of the great state of Ohio who ran for president in 2016. It's John Kasich. He's got a new book about how faith

communities can essentially do good in America in different ways. And frankly, I think Kasek is

somebody who is desperate to, I think, revive a sense of local community again.

He's always kind of been that kind of politician.

You know, he's, you know, he made a name for himself at first in Washington for being the budget guy.

So it was always cut, cut, cut.

But when I think of the phrase compassionate conservative,

which was made famous by George W. Bush, to me, the avatar to that is John Kasich. And before him

would have been a guy named Jack Kemp. In the 80s, Jack Kemp was considered a conservative with a

heart. And the point being, look, he was an advocate for smaller government, an advocate, frankly,

for more international engagement, an advocate for business, but also an advocate for lifting

people up and being a former athlete.

He sort of was able to cut through the race issue.

He's one of those folks that

I've always wanted to write a book featuring the I can't believe they never became president.

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