Hello there. Welcome to another episode of the Chuck Toddcast. My guest today is Ian Bremmer. He is principal of the Eurasia Group. Really, sort of one of the foreign policy and national security analysts that I consume the most. He's, if you've followed me down and beat the press and the NBC days, you know that I've used Ian quite a lot in my expert category when it comes to national security.

He is as wired as there is when it comes to, particularly when it comes to America's closest economic allies, Japan, Canada, the UK, basically the G7, right?

In many ways, the G7 is America's closest allies, the key European countries plus Japan and Canada there.

And he's, look, it's not just there that he's well sourced.

He's well sourced a lot of key trade allies. And given what's going on right now, and basically

the conversation that I have with him is trying to see, is there a, to quote George H.W. Bush,

right after the fall of the Berlin Wall, at the time, it was creating a new world order.

And that was an exciting time to create a new world order. We were creating a new world order because the Iron Curtain fell.

Well, are we now creating a new world order, a different one? Basically, you know, the strongest cell thrive, right? And in many ways, this is if you, if you examine Donald Trump and what he really thinks when it comes to foreign policy, this really does, you're better off thinking this way than trying to

come up with some other reasons why he thinks. He's a very binary thinker in this.

There are winners and losers. There's no such thing in Donald Trump's world is win-win.

He may say the phrase win-win. He may want people to believe that when he does a deal that he believes he's gotten the better

end of the deal, that he'll call it win-win.

But he doesn't actually think there's ever an even split.

He doesn't really truly believe there is such thing as a win-win.

And so when you think of it that way, this is why

he almost views every country that's not China and Russia as essentially a secondary power

and that they're somehow having to graft on there either a secondary power in Russia's

sphere of influence, a secondary power in China's sphere of influence, or you either a secondary power in Russia's sphere of influence, a secondary power

in China's sphere of influence, or you're a secondary power in America's sphere of influence.

And so when you think about it in those terms, it's possible at least to understand perhaps

why he has behaved the way he's behaved with Ukraine, for instance. You sit here and

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