This is exactly right.

Listen up. I'm Lisa Trager.

And I'm Kara Clank, and we're the hosts of the True Crime Comedy Podcast, That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast.

Every Tuesday, we break down an episode of Law and Order SVU, the true crime it's based on, and we chat with an actor from the episode.

Over the past few years, we've chatted with series icons like Beatty Wong,

Kelly Giddish, Danny Pino, and guest stars like Padgett Brewster and Matthew Lillard.

And just like an SVU marathon, you can jump in anywhere.

Don't miss new episodes every Tuesday.

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Dun-Dun!

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator who's worked some of America's

most complicated cases and solve them. Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most

compelling true crimes. And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old

mysteries. Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases

through a 21st century lens. Some are solved, and some are cold, very cold. This is

Buried Bones. Hey, Kate, how are you today?

I'm well, Paul. How about you?

I am doing good. In fact, I'm looking forward to the Christmas break. I'm going to be in Hawaii for part of that.

Hawaii. Really? How do I get that gig? Can I come to Hawaii also? Do you want to do a show and I'm sure I can find a Hawaii story we can do?

Oh, yeah. No, go visit my parents who live out there. Quick trip out, quick trip back. It's been a couple of years since I've been out there, so it'll be fun.

Do you go over Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, or are you kind of going around it?

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