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The Chopping Block: Tom Lee the New Saylor? DAT Consolidation, Token Wrappers Under Fire - Ep. 893

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 28 August 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

DAT mania meets market reality. Tom Lee becomes the face of ETH as BitMine amasses 1.5% of supply and mNAV premiums start to collapse. We break down Japan’s MetaPlanet tax arbitrage, SharpLink’s buyback tactics, and the coming wave of DAT M&A. Plus: Robinhood launches tokenized stocks in Europe using Arbitrum, the WFE fires a warning shot, and Stylus lets fintech devs go Rust-first onchain. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, Arbitrum’s AJ Warner (Chief Strategy Officer at Offchain Labs) joins to unpack the rise (and potential fall) of Digital Asset Treasuries (DATs), as Tom Lee emerges as Ethereum’s public face and BitMine amasses 1.5% of ETH. We dive into the collapse of mNAV premiums, Japan’s MetaPlanet tax arbitrage, and the looming consolidation of subscale DATs. Plus: Robinhood launches tokenized stocks in the EU on Arbitrum, AJ shares the roadmap for Robinhood Chain, and we debate whether token wrappers, buybacks, and DAT M&A mark the next era of crypto capital markets. Show highlights 🔹 Tom Lee’s ETH Blitz – How BitMine amassed 1.5% of the ETH supply, why Tom Lee says ETH could flip BTC, and how he’s become the “face of Ethereum.” 🔹 mNAV Compression Across DATs – Big-name DATs (BitMine, MicroStrategy) hold premiums; smaller ones trend toward par or discounts. 🔹 Japan’s MetaPlanet Tax Arbitrage – Why MetaPlanet trades at 2.5–3× NAV: stock taxation loopholes vs. crypto income tax rates in Japan. 🔹 DAT Buybacks, Activism & M&A – SharpLink’s buyback plan, potential for hostile takeovers, and speculation around “DAT piracy.” 🔹 One-DAT-per-Alt Endgame – Why most new DATs are failing, the shift to consolidation, and why each token may only support one treasury long-term. 🔹 Staking ETFs vs DATs – DATs can stake nearly 100% of assets; ETFs are constrained by redemptions and liquidity windows. 🔹 Corporate Tax Drag & Onchain Yield – Trade-offs between tax efficiency and flexibility in corporate vs. ETF structures. 🔹 WFE vs. Tokenized Stocks – Global exchange lobby attacks third-party wrappers as misleading “tokenized stocks” lacking shareholder protections. 🔹 Robinhood’s Tokenized Stock Rollout – Launching in the EU under MiCA, built on Arbitrum One, with a full Robinhood Chain to follow. 🔹 Stylus & Arbitrum Stack Strategy – Why Rust/C/C++ compatibility on Arbitrum helped win the Robinhood deal; flexibility for fintech devs. 🔹 Hyperliquid’s Bridge to Arbitrum – $5B+ in assets sourced via Arbitrum; why Arbitrum’s partner-first posture beats chasing L3s. 🔹 DATs as the New CMOs – How charismatic leaders like Tom Lee and Saylor act as public-facing evangelists for their ecosystems. HOSTS: ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  Guest: ⭐️ A.J. Warner, Chief Strategy Officer at Offchain Labs  Links: Disclosures⁠ DAT Mania Potential & mNAV Compression on the Chopping Block https://youtu.be/rF8TGVWWRTU?list=PLySrw1Nvf-srh6ZnJ033Jb440VKUjVNgX&t=2249  Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:10 Ethereum's Market Performance  03:02 Tom Lee's Media Blitz  06:37 Digital Asset Treasuries in Crypto 08:47 Tax Arbitrage and Premiums in Different Markets 10:58 Challenges of Digital Asset Treasuries 16:20 Corporate Form vs. ETFs for Staking 19:25 The Role of Spokespersons in Digital Asset Treasuries 27:59 Equity Heavy Strategies and MicroStrategy's Leverage 29:10 Market Signals and Liquidity Challenges 31:29 Adversarial M&A and Stock Buybacks 33:57 WFE letter to SEC: attack on “tokenized stocks” 45:32 Robinhood & Arbitrum Partnership 53:51 Hyperliquid vs. Arbitrum's Ecosystem Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Like, Tom Lee, I kind of remember, you always see the headlines of like Tom Lee predicts $10,000 light coin.

0:05.7

I'm like, what the, like, who is this guy? And then somehow he is like perfectly found his fit in, and also just simplifying the ETH story into, no, no, no, no, it's stable coins. It's the Wall Street chain. And it just kind of worked. It's kind of miraculous. not a dividend. It's a tale of two fond.

0:21.0

Now, your losses are on someone else's balance.

0:23.7

Generally speaking, air drops are kind of pointless anyways.

0:26.3

I'm into trading firms who are very involved.

0:29.3

D5.Eat is the ultimate policy.

0:31.5

D5 protocols are the antidote to this problem.

0:35.1

Hello, everybody. Welcome to the chopping block.

0:36.8

Every couple weeks, the four of us get together and give the industry insider's perspective on the crypto topics of the day. So quick intro, this first you got Tom, the Defy Maven, and Master of Memes. Hello, everyone. Next, you got Robert, the Cryptoconisur and Tsar of Superstate. Yo. Joining us today, we've got AJ, ecosystem envoy at Arbitrum.

0:56.6

Hey, thanks for having me.

0:58.1

I like that one.

0:59.7

Absolutely.

1:00.4

And I've received the head hype man at Dragonfly.

1:02.6

We're at least stage investors in crypto, but I want to caveat that nothing we say here

1:05.3

is investment advice, legal advice, or even life advice.

1:08.1

Please see chopping block that XYZ for more disclosures.

1:28.1

So, boys, Ethereum just scraped an all-time high, and I say scraped because it sort of scraped against it and then hurt itself and fell over. It's almost back again. Come on. It's basically, you know, it's a, what is it? Like 4,600 now? It's like trying to fight to 4,600. That's within submitting distance. Yeah, so it hit a 4,600 now. It's like trying to fight 4,600. That's within spitting distance.

1:37.0

Yeah. So it hit 4,900 something, like 4,950-ish, I believe, spitting distance of 5K, all-time high was previously 4885 in August of 2022. That was three years ago. So unfortunately, after that,

1:43.3

there was just a cascade of liquidations.

1:45.9

Markets pulled down quite a bit over the week, or yeah, I think over the right, right on Sunday, Monday

1:50.8

timeframe. But there's been something of a recovery. It seems like animal spirits are back,

1:55.3

even though a lot of the leverage has been flushed out of the system. So we've seen so far year-to-date,

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