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The Documentary Podcast

The Children of Paradise: The future must change

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Society & Culture, Documentary

4.32.7K Ratings

🗓️ 6 December 2023

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Three decades after the momentous transition from Apartheid to a democratic South Africa, Fergal Keane returns to see what happened to the hopes and promises of a better nation. In a famous speech thirty years ago, as he collected the Nobel Peace Prize, Nelson Mandela spoke of a “common humanity” in which all South Africans would live “like the children of paradise.” As the BBC’s South Africa correspondent at the time, Fergal Keane, along with his colleague and friend Milton Nkosi, lived through some of the country’s most desperate times. It was a period of extreme violence and loss, but also of great hope. Now Fergal and Milton travel through the country, re-visiting some of the places and people they encountered in the lead up to the end of Apartheid. Through this series they will explore how and why paradise was lost.

Presenter: Fergal Keane Producer: John Murphy

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:14.2

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0:19.4

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0:21.6

Well Fogle, the Children of Paradise, I know it's a quote from Nelson Mandela, the Big Man.

0:30.0

Why did you want to make this series?

0:32.0

30 years ago I was the BBC's Southern Africa correspondent

0:36.0

and witnessing the extraordinary transition from,

0:40.0

you know, a place where black and white were separated at every level where people

0:44.3

couldn't sit on the same park bench go on the same buses. Witnessing the move from

0:49.8

that to a morning where I saw black people voting for the first time. That was one of the foundational

0:54.7

experiences of my life. Now 30 years later I want to see what's become of the democracy that was

0:59.6

created on that day. In case anyone's interested, my name's John, I'm the producer of this series and the first episode

1:06.8

is centered around Gauteng, basically the Johannesburg region.

1:11.0

Welcome to the documentary from the BBC World Service.

1:15.6

I'm Fergalkeen.

1:17.9

Three decades ago, midnight in South Africa, I watched as the old apartheid flag was lowered and a new country was born.

1:25.0

And again as the anthem plays, God bless Africa, I can see black people running up the steps here.

1:31.0

People who have heard that clearly from a few blocks away are now running to be

1:35.4

here to be part of this moment and now the cheer of the crowd.

1:42.4

It was a time of extraordinary hope, felt most powerfully among the struggling millions of

1:48.0

black South Africans, like Cynthia and Tabe living in desperate conditions in a squatter camp outside Johannesburg.

1:56.0

I feel very shame. You can see yourself I ever want a place to sleep.

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