You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life.

So one day I'll be helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature,

and the next looking at how a podcast connects with its audience.

And maybe that's you.

So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds.

I don't know whether you saw the most recent Bond film,

but we got a tantalising glimpse of what 007 would have been like as a family man.

Spoiler alert, it didn't quite come to pass.

Maybe the script writers thought no one would believe it.

Shame they didn't talk to Sue Ellen Cusha. She has a story they really might have been interested in. Hello, I'm Joe Fidgin

and this is The Lives Less Ordinary podcast from the BBC World Service. Sue Ellen was born in 1953,

the middle child of Dudley and Joan Doherty, a seemingly ordinary Australian couple living the suburban life on the outskirts of Brisbane and Sydney. In fact, both her parents were spies, employed by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation ASEO,

and their three kids were raised in the business.

My father was one of the first recruits to the organisation,

and a little bit, probably a year after that,

he suggested that my mother should join ASEO, because when they first started, they wanted to keep the security so tight that they actually were kindly disposed to husband and wife

teams.

And that, in fact, is the romantic way my father proposed to my mother.

His proposal was, well, if you're going to work with us, I guess we'd better get married.

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