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The Story

The charity that stops prisoners reoffending

The Story

The Times

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🗓️ 22 December 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

You probably don't need reminding how much of a mess our prisons are at the moment - run-down, overcrowded and sometimes with a revolving door for prisoners who reoffend. One of the charities supported by this year’s Times and Sunday Times Christmas appeal is Switchback, who’ve had great success at helping ex-offenders to ‘go straight’ when they leave prison.


For more information on this year’s Christmas Appeal and to donate, visit https://times.ctdonate.org/ 


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Guests: 

  • Hamza - Former prisoner helped by Switchback
  • Daisy Eastlake, reporter, The Times.      

Host: Luke Jones.

Producer: Shabnam Grewal.

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Photo: Getty Images. 

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0:00.0

From The Times and the Sunday Times, this is The Story. I'm Luke Jones.

0:10.0

You probably don't need reminding how much of a mess our prisons are at the moment.

0:14.0

When they're not being accidentally released, our prisons are full of inmates.

0:19.0

They're short of staff. they're in a physical state of

0:22.1

disrepair. And so much so, the Commons Justice Committee says all of this is having a, quote,

0:26.9

profound impact on the ability of prisons to deliver rehabilitation. In England and Wales,

0:33.5

a third of prisoners go on to re-offend once they're released.

0:39.7

How then do we get that number down?

0:46.6

I knew when I came out of prison where I wanted to go,

0:47.9

I didn't know how I was going to get there.

0:51.9

One charity, working closely with prisoners before and after release,

0:53.2

is achieving it.

0:55.9

Their offending rate is down to under a 10th.

1:01.4

I mean, if Switchback wasn't here, I don't know if I would be here now. After I came out,

1:04.9

I engaged with them. They helped me get a job. I didn't like that job and they help me get into fitness. I've got a very successful fitness career. Switchback is one of the charities supported

1:09.4

by this year's Times and Sunday Times

1:11.4

Christmas Appeal. And they help ex-offenders with a number of hurdles they've got to clear once

1:15.9

released back into the world. Housing, work, finances. When you leave prison, you're given a discharge

1:22.7

grant of £89.52. And you're told to make life work. You're not given a phone, you're not given

1:29.3

data, you haven't been able to apply for benefits yet because you can't submit an application

1:33.8

until the day you leave prison and there's a six-week processing period. Today we'll hear

1:38.6

how the charity has helped one ex-prisoner in particular.

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