The idea that the Democrats are going to actually remove their leader from office, I think that's just a really drastic thing.

And I understand, it's very drastic, but the 25th Amendment kind of was designed for a situation in which the president may not recognize his own impairment.

At the first presidential debate of the 2024 election. President Biden gave a dismal

performance that made viewers wonder about his vigor and his cognitive health.

This immediately raised questions about whether he should stay in the race or even finish out his term.

Anybody can f-up talking.

How did Biden do not talking? Not great. But a lot of people have resting 25th Amendment face.

The 25th Amendment is a once obscure provision of the Constitution.

It includes a section that allows a president to be removed from office when deemed unfit.

Genie Suit Gerson wrote about the amendment five separate times during the tumult of the Trump administration.

Following the debate, Jeannie wrote a piece for the New Yorker

titled This is what the 25th Amendment was designed for, where she calls on

Democrats to use the amendment against Biden. You're listening to the political scene.

I'm Tyler Foggett, and I'm a senior editor at The New Yorker.

Hey, Jeannie, thanks so much for coming on the show.

Thanks, Tyler. It's always nice to have you here, even though I feel like it's always during

like a harrowing moment for the country, So, sorry about that. So you recently wrote a piece in which you

argue that President Biden's cabinet should use the 25th Amendment to get him

to resign. This is a pretty bold argument given

that the 25th Amendment really hasn't been used that much in history and so I'm

wondering if you could just talk a little bit about how you reach this

conclusion and why you decided to write this piece.

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