Hey y'all, before we jump into this week's episode, I want to tell you about a new show

for my colleagues at The New York Times.

It's called Matter of Opinion, and is hosted by four columnists over on the opinion side.

Ross Taufted, Michelle Cattle, Lidio Polgrain, and Carlos Lazada.

They take on one big topic in the news every week, but similar to our show, they don't

just talk about the incremental stuff.

They ask big questions, like, is there a crisis of masculinity in America?

Or this week, what should we do about aging politicians?

The conversations are smart, nuanced, and funny, matter of opinion, new episodes every

Thursday, wherever you get your podcasts.

Okay, onto the run-up.

As I've been talking to national Democrats about their strategy for 2024, it's clear that

the big part of their plan to win is through defense.

To watch what Republicans do, and run on the promise that they are not that.

They don't see that strategy as a weakness.

They see it as a strength.

But increasingly, I'm hearing from people who say that this is a plan to not have a plan,

that it doesn't meet the urgency of the moment, and isn't worth the cost.

So I wanted to talk to a Democrat, who would make the case for that version of the plan,

the Biden version of the party in 2024.

And I thought of Alyssa Slokkin, a moderate congresswoman from Michigan.

What's happened in Michigan, in particular, in this midterm election cycle, is huge and

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