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Notes from America with Kai Wright

The Case Against Those ‘Tubman $20s’

Notes from America with Kai Wright

WNYC Studios

News Commentary, Politics, History, News

4.41.5K Ratings

🗓️ 18 February 2021

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

People are excited to replace Andrew Jackson’s face with an abolitionist hero. But Brittney Cooper argues not all honorifics are the same. The Biden Treasury Department has announced that efforts to put abolitionist Harriet Tubman’s portrait -- in place of President Andrew Jackson -- on the face of the twenty dollar bill will resume. It represents an effort to celebrate her and “reflect the history and diversity of our country,” but some believe that this would do more harm than good. Dr. Brittney Cooper, a professor at Rutgers University and author of Eloquent Rage: A Black Feminist Discovers Her Superpower, discusses how Black people have long been reduced to symbol, the failings of representational politics, and ways that the nation can actually honor the life and legacy of the formerly enslaved pioneer. Last month, she addressed the subject in “Putting Harriet Tubman on the $20 Bill Is Not a Sign of Progress. It's a Sign of Disrespect” (TIME). Companion listening for this episode: “The Origin Story of Black History Month” (01/31/21) To launch our Future of Black History series, we turned our complex relationships with Black History Month to curiosity in order to uncover how a week-long celebration of Black Achievement became the month-long observance that we know today. “The Life and Work of Ida B. Wells” (05/08/20) We look back at the life of the oft-overlooked journalist and activist Ida B. Wells, whose intrepid reporting contributed to the fight for racial injustice in America. “The United States of Anxiety” airs live on Sunday evenings at 6pm ET. The podcast episodes are lightly edited from our live broadcasts. To catch all the action, tune into the show on Sunday nights via the stream on WNYC.org/anxiety or tell your smart speakers to play WNYC.

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0:00.0

Hey everybody this is Guy I want to share with you a brief conversation I had recently about those

0:05.8

tub-min 20s a lot of folks are getting excited about you'll perhaps remember way back

0:10.9

during the Obama administration,

0:12.8

the Treasury Department decided to replace

0:15.2

Andrew Jackson's image on the $20 bill

0:17.3

with Harriet Tubman's image.

0:19.1

The new bills were supposed to roll out in 2020.

0:21.6

But then a couple of years ago the Trump administration said no

0:26.2

they'd be delaying the release until at least 2026, notably after the end of a hoped for second Trump term.

0:35.0

This of course sparked general outrage and was seen as yet another insult to black people from Donald

0:41.0

Trump, who had long dismissed the idea as political correctness,

0:44.8

as he called it.

0:45.8

Well, now in one of the Biden administration's first moves, they've announced plans to

0:51.6

get those Tubman 20s out in circulation as soon as

0:55.2

possible and on the surface you'd maybe think someone like Brittany Cooper

1:01.6

would rejoice at this news.

1:03.4

Brittany is the author of eloquent rage, a black feminist discovers her

1:08.0

superpowers, and she's a professor of Africana and Women's and Gender Studies at Rutgers University and she has

1:15.7

emerged as one of the most vocal opponents of this whole top mid-20s plan.

1:20.9

She thinks it's actually more of an insult than an honor.

1:24.1

And she wrote an essay about it in time, so I asked her to talk to me about why. So Brittany, hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi.

1:37.0

So I have dragged you in here because you are raining on people's parade and I want to hear about why.

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